Farewell Redhat?

I think this link was an omen...a coincidence? or a conspiracy?

http://mslinux.org/

I belive RH is not doing anything wrong!
http://fedora.redhat.com

as you can see, It is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc.
This means, RH is not giving they support free, as they did when you download the distro.
1 system free account to red hat network, you have 10 systems, make 10 free accounts! and don't pay nothing, just handle the systems 1 by 1.
I belived this was not a good idea, since we want linux to survive FUD over 60 billion petty cash companies. So this is not weird to me, they did good moves, first sponsore fedora, then get rid of the distro, and give support only to people who pay for it, if you want to have a RH support and a good enterprise system pay for it, if you want a RH distro, download fedora, where RH sponsores but don't give support!

I agree with cow here. Red Hat has the m$ syndrome. Like we Finns say, pee rose to their heads and they now feel they're more than gurus. That's why they're being so greedy

Fedora is nothing but Red Hat's own beta testing grounds. Microsoft does something similar, but they charge for the beta CD then ask for bug reports. Red Hat does not charge, but they want the free beta testing and you get nothing in return. When I was beta testing for Corel, I got free software, shirts, mousepads and other things.

Fedora is not something you run a mission critical server on.

Also, if you actually read my article, paying for support and upgrades was not a problem. Paying Microsoft prices for a distribution that is made up of largely free applications that they paid nothing for is a problem.

Furthermore, this concept is not the foundation on which Linux was built.

Fedora is not something you run a mission critical server on.
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If you want to continue with Red Hat you now have to purchase one of their Enterprise Editions, bargain priced form $179.00 to a staggering $2499 for their premium edition. What do you get for the additional two-thousand-three hundred and twenty dollars? Well, you get a hay wagon full of mostly open source software that Red Hat got for free. Sure, it is all pre-compiled and they have some fancy config scripts, but I am not convinced the value is there.
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its like I said, if you don't want to spend time configuring a good linux system for a server, PAY!
so, youre talking of using the regular RH distro as a mission critical server, well, why not use mandrake also?
If RH spend time creating a good linux system for servers, well nice, but give support for the free system? its like you having to answer the phone for 40 people, and only 10 actually paid you for give them support!
I didn't mention fedora as a server system, I mentioned as a desktop, or hobby system. For servers or mission critial systems, PAY for it.

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Paying Microsoft prices for a distribution that is made up of largely free applications that they paid nothing for is a problem.
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As you mentioned its made of free applications, so why not get any distro(maybe fedora or gentoo) and install the programs you want, THEIR FREE.
If you want all the aditional programs installed and stuff, PAY. If you don't like it don't use RH, (like you'll do). I'll stick with fedora or gentoo, both seems community friendly systems where the support are from the same community. If you belive is a beta-testing aproach, cool, but the bugs fixed will be fixed on the fedora distro as well!
Maybe the value of their server systems are not for you, but I belive the difference is the more you pay for the system the more important you are for them and the more support you'll get, as it should be. $60 dollars for support is cheap, more if you also give support for people who doesn't pay for it(remember the cheap bytes RH cd's? why cheap byte had to change the distro name?), you can't do this 4ever, if you didn't expected this, crying babies to maternity! no more MISSION CRITICAL CONFIGURATIONS for free, if you can't pay it, then it doesn't sounds like a real mission critical server, sorry to pop your bubble.

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Furthermore, this concept is not the foundation on which Linux was built.
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actually, your wrong!
'Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.'
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

I guess you have a bad impression of free, read this on the link above!
'The word ``free'' has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer either to freedom or to price. When we speak of ``free software'', we're talking about freedom, not price. (Think of ``free speech'', not ``free beer''.) Specifically, it means that a user is free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the program with or without changes.'

Plain and simple once again.

Still Not Worth The Money They Are Asking.

The value for the money they are asking is not there

I belive it is,
the thing is your seen this as a price for simple and small server, or maybe someones pc. In case of a simple server, you could pay them for the cheapest system. But in case of a big cluster, it would not be fair that RH gives them the same support for the same price! And if the owner of the cluster can make 5 more clusters with the same software they paid to RH (its GPL!), then its even unfair. Imagine IBM pay RH $2499 for their best configurated system, and sell 1,000 servers with the same software? is the system worth the $2499 value? I belive its cheap! infinite copies of the configurated software for that price! try that with another non-linux company.
thats what GPL is about. If SuSe or another distro can make a system cheaper and with the same quality and support, then its obvious RH will drop the price, if they can charge this or more its because people will pay them, so the value is there, even more when the software is GPL.

No Red Hat wants 18,000, yes,Eighteen Thousand Dollars for IBM

Sigh.

I tried Mandrake 9.2 and I was not very pleased. The installer is degrading rapidly in both design and with added advertisements, the art work is horrible, their default software selection was inadaquate... and they still don't have a good track record with power management and wireless card support.

They've grown too comercially minded; what ever happened to making a good operating system for the sake of making a good operating system?

I've not given up on Mandrake completely, but I don't forsee myself with them forever into the future unless their business plan changes (which won't happen)... I've started looking at other distros.

The reason I chose Mandrake over Red Hat was that I liked blue more than red. Rather scientific, eh? Well, Red Hat was one of the distros I was looking at switching over to... but so much for that idea.

Maybe I should learn Polish and use PLD.

-Tim

You know Tim, Thats how winning bets on horse races come about. In this world that may be the best way to pick. See, your way ahead of the tech game

I think that this is a major blessing. RedHat, IMO, has been a discrace to the Linux community since the day it started charging $60 for a (what should be free) product.

The point is, there are many other NICE distributions out there that make it a point to be free. Debian is a GREAT distribution with a large support base, and loads of precompiled binary packages. Gentoo is really nice for the preformance user, who might want to be up to date, set his own compile settings, etc.

I think we should all be glad that RedHat is finally giving up. They cannot offer anything that the other, BETTER, distros can't.

Karl Haines
karlhaines@comcast.net

You're right.

I remember going to the race track as a young kid with my grandparents. Usually my grandfather would put the bets in and my grandmother would sit there and crochet. She would ask me to pick a horse, she'd have my grandfather place it for us to show, and we collected our winning 50 cents each race.

-Tim