Farewell Redhat; Hello Fedora Core!

That's right. Red Hat has discontinued Red Hat Linux.
But for now, they support Fedora Core.

Fedora Core, is a comminity-developed linux system, based on Red Hat Linux 9.

So you might say Fedora Core is Red Hat 10.

http://fedora.redhat.com

No reason to be sorry

At last people who understood the RH move!
this is what linux and the GPL is about, evolution of code.

Evolution of code is fine, but will redhat eventually take the "Community Developed" code for use in it's "Enterprise Solution" that they charge for? If so, how does the "Community" benefit? Who will stop them from using the "Communities" ideas to enhance their pay to play OS.

the first statement on the fedora site is...



Read the FAQ, it says that some of the Fedore packages will be included in the supported product line, but it does not say anything about paying anybody for them... free development what a concept!!!

Blindeddie its pretty clear you don't know what GPL is about!
go here http://www.gnu.org/ and read the faq at least, you'll know that the only way they can use the GPL code is if they use it on GPL code. RH is not charging for the code, the code is free, they are charging for the support and for the configuration they make! you can make your own system, put all your code free, if someone wants your system with everything installed and working as you belive is best optimized and secure, then you charge.
if what you say is unfair, then, ask your self why none gpl programmer see this in a bad way? if RH used freebsd instead of linux, then you'll have a good point there, but you have to understand that the programmers are the ones who decide what type of rights their code should have. If they use a freebsd license or a gpl license, then they should know the consequences. As of GPL, I don't see any bad consequences, I code, give it free, if someone uses it they only can use it if they use it on a gpl enviroment, so I can use what they did, so the code is on constant evolution, if its good code, else the code dies.

I belive RH move is really healthy for the community, the community only wants good code for everyone, without people taking advantage. RH has been a very important player on the linux evolution, they contribute a lot of code, and they will still be contributing to code needed on mission critical servers.

But if you want to know companies who take advantage of comunities and don't give nothing back, you should name Microsoft http://news.com.com/2100-1001-860328.html
and some other companies:
http://www.gzip.org/zlib/apps.html

so as you can see, with gpl this would not happen(at least it should not happen!). Thats why some companies doesn't like the gpl, and they start FUD for it, and promote other licence types, because they give them freedom to use it and give nothing for it.

I am just asking questions to get other peoples opinions. I have read your other posts and am well aware of your position on this matter. I am just trying to find out if anyone else has an opinion on this.

ok, sorry then, but as a long time linux and other gpl software user, I prefer to answer this kind of questions quickly as I can, with a good comprensive answer, since I this kind of posts indirectly affect the community. Those kind of posts could be used as a FUD tool, as people not oriented could belive this is a problem and don't research on it.
You could ask for the SCO or IBM subpoenas, or people who took code from not GPL code and baptize it as GPL. This has happened, RH did it with some Raid drivers, I belive it was the raid drivers. Or closed source software using GPL, that later had to be released as GPL.

Rolo

You are right now I am able to read between the lines, even though the http://www.gnu.org/ website has the word "Free" 17 times on there homepage alone and in the manifesto it states;

"GNU, which stands for Gnu's Not Unix, is the name for the complete Unix-compatible software system which I am writing so that I can give it away free to everyone who can use it. Several other volunteers are helping me. Contributions of time, money, programs and equipment are greatly needed. "

So it really means take the GNU software put it in a package and charge $18,000 for it.

You are correct it is the rest of the world that does not understand. Since you mentioned IBM in another post, please let us know when you cut the check to Red Hat for $18,000. Ah heck why stop at one? buy two or three licenses. Why have just one when you can buy 3 at triple the price.

I am so sorry I misunderstood you. You are absolutly correct. Free bug testing and charge $18,000 for a license. I just want to know one thing... Do you get free vaseline for that price, or do they let you scream?

i'm gonna have to side with rolo here.. who cares if they put costly licenses on stuff when used by a business, those business' are using it for profit.

it's open-source, so at least you know what you're paying for, and that money is likely coming back to the community anyway.

Notepad,

Thats the same opinion our government takes screw the business owner.

So a small business that is trying to survive should pay just because they are a business. Almost everyone that uses linux uses it for business in some way. If you install it at home for testing some scripts that you sold you are using it for business. You should pay $18,000 today.

You are going to see the beginning of the end. This will be a trend across the computer world. Soon the only distribution you will be able to use for free will be beta versions. Look at the big picture and what it will become in years to come. It started as free and should remain that way, No If's And's Or But's About It!

postalcow, if you want a 'free' linux distro, there are a lot(including fedora), then download one, you'll still need an internet conection! so you are still paying, now start crying for this and demand that linus torvalts personally send you apologies and a couple of cd's.

RH charges the high prices, because big companies need their linux configuration. If you want the same configuration do it your self manually, the software is 'free', unless you are too lame to do so, and still cry because of RH move. If a company is small and needs a server, they would probably end up with 1 small server! so why a small company would need RH linux enterprise edition?

Im bored reading your post, because 2 things:
1-your just posting to make more people post.
2-I belive its useless to convince you of something you don't want to understand because of your selfishness, I can't make blind people see! sorry.

search for your mom's shoulder and cry on it, because you can't pay RH prices, I'll download fedora, or gentoo and report bugs so your new linux distro get more stable!

Redhat is starting the revolution. Everyone will follow their lead and start charging then there will be none. Sorry if you got board reading my posts. I will make them shorter for you since you have a short attention span.

You can't see the future of what is to come if they continue to charge for distributions they all will start charging. Linux will not be free anymore. How much does Red Hat pay Linus? for their profits. NOTHING! That is the future PERIOD!! No free distributions!

As for being a Linux lamer I have been running linux since Red Hat 4.2 You were still in school and everone was still kicking your books down the hall and stuffing you in a locker back then.

I am done making posts here. You don't see the big picture.

rolo, when you write a message without telling anyone that he is on drugs, it will not be deleted...

Rolo, some things:


I thought forums were for conversations! What should he do? Begin a monologue?



What? When did he say he wanted to be convinced? He is just trying to tell the people around here what his opinion is. Why not turn the idea upside down? YOU don't want to understand his opinion because YOU are selfish and YOU don't want to accept any other opinions as thruths, because YOUR brain has developed the theory which ROU think is the only correct one.

When I was seven or eight years old, they taught me this at school: There is no need to argue about opinions. But life has taught me that opinions are easy to argue about and it is fun too. So keep going if you want to!

It does not matter. I am done discussing this issue anyway.

I'm preparing my next article

It doesn't? Hmm... maybe not. I just hate it when the unique atmosphere of Codewalkers is about to disappear, that's why I begun ranting.