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Ha, how many times have you thrown in the towel? Surely it wasn't just once.



You refuse to acknowledge my answers. I can't make you drink water if you have your foot stuck in your mouth.



Wow, there's a really clever argument. Typical Republican logic.

Yes, you are getting no where. You have yet to make anyone follow your course of action, proving that your arguments are useless and uneffective.

You are ignorant to the fact that you are talking much, proving little. I, just as Matt, have yet to see you answer a question directly.

People are upset with you because you think you're all high and mighty and you are the best this world has ever had.

I could say much, much more then this but it would be to no point. I have better things to do then argue with someone who cannot realize that he has yet to win an argument here.

Gee, I can't argue with that!

Thank you for contributing to this thread, Mr. Anonymous.

Codebear, you socialist windbag, go troll some other forum. Even if you did have good points, they are obscured by your arrogant, self-righteous posts.

Wait a minute...3 posts, "codebaby"??? You've made a total of three posts, two of them in response to my threads, then you complain about being forced to view my posts?

If you need a babysitter, try the yellow pages!

Quality, not quantity.

"Codebear, you socialist windbag, go troll some other forum."

Gee, he struck out in that category, too. Oh, well - after he makes another 997 posts he can at least boast that he's made a lot of posts.

Pure Quality. And a good idea as well.

Is that what your are attempting to do? Come on ... telling the truth is liberating.

Ok, i cant resist this one.



No excuse. You mean to tell me you cant take one hour out of your day to install Linux because of projects? Give it up man. All of my website programming is done IN LINUX, with a vi editor. Do you not have time, or do you just not know how? Could it be that you are just like roughly 80 percent of the population that only knows how to use one operating system? You know, a few years ago, I started to not buy soccer balls from an unnamed company because of overseas child labor they were using. Same with a certain sneaker company. I stop using these products in protest. If you are really willing to go forth and stand up for what you believe in, you need to start with yourself. Otherwise, it becomes not so much an issue of your crusade for Operating System justice (which, I might interject, is a goofy argument to begin with), but one of hypocrasy. I had a choice in which brand of soccer balls I used, and which brand of shoes I wore, just as you, kind sir, have a choice in what software you use. You DO have a choice.
Websters defines monopoly as:


If you have an alternative choice to use for something (In fact, many many choices) How is that a monopoly? The shoes I vow to stop wearing years ago are still not being worn today. I have stood up for what i believe in. No one will take you seriously until you begin to do the same. Please don't take this the wrong way, but, it almost seems like it is the pot calling the kettle black in this instance.

I am a Code baby?... not really.
My system is normally configured to block id info, but knowing Postal Cow's pet peeve regarding Anonymous posts, I am breaking my own rules. After all, this is a great forum and I have been coming here for a long time, no real need to hide. It's not who you are or what you say, but how you say it and if you have facts to back it up.
Oh, and by the way, I give lessons in modesty. I am an expert!

I couldn't agree more with Nazly.

Matt, isn't it the time to close these nonsense threads? We aren't achieving anything here, and I think most of us are getting bored of this.

You mean it just takes ONE HOUR to install Linux, learn how to use it, replace all your Windows programs with open-source programs and learn how to use them?



But I have. Which should I do first: Adopt Linux, start working with open-source programs that I'll be able to use with Linux, or move my websites to Linux servers? (By the way, I probably average more than 10 hours a day working on my research and websites.)

I can't realistically do all of these in a month, let alone a day. So I opted for #3. My websites are all hosted on Linux servers. But I encountered some unexpected problems during my transition and had to spend more time fixing my websites. (I'm still not done.)

Then I jumped into Apache, MySQL and PHP. It took me several DAYS to get those properly installed and working.

I even had Linux installed at one time. I was just beginning to learn it when I had to remove it because of an unrelated hardware problem.

So excuse me if I'm not meeting your timetable. I'll change what I want, when I want, and I have no intention of waiting until I'm 100% Microsoft free before I start criticizing Microsoft, especially because I'll probably never be 100% Microsoft free. That's not the point.

Using your logic, I shouldn't critcize energy deregulation if I use electricity. If I see child abuse in a school, I shouldn't report it if it might embarrass my employer. If corporations succeed in gaining the legal rights to the world's freshwater resources, we shouldn't criticize them if we're still drinking water. And millions of people who are using Windows shouldn't curse Microsoft when their computers crash.

Sorry, I don't buy your logic, because you have none.

Dont be stupid.

Yes, you should do all of those first. You are preaching to the choir. In fact, I spend about 8 hours a day with this site up, HELPING PEOPLE Take a number. I manage to work 12 hours coding, AT MY JOB, and I help people with PHP, mind you, including you. Yet, I still manage to find time to do other things with my life, not including all of the things I study in my spare time, my ham radio activities, and my volunteer work with the Boy Scouts. Please don't lecture me about how much time you have. I don't care, and don't take that the wrong way, but I really don't think anyone else cares either. And despite your opinion, and my distaste for it, people here, including myself will still find the time to help you. But lay off the lecture.

No one said it wouldnt take a while for the transition, but in the mean time, you can start using linux for a desktop if thats truly where your heart lies. It does take an hour to install, and much of that is automated. Go eat lunch while it runs. If you need to, set your computer up for a dual boot environment to make the transition smooth.

Thats why we are here! When you have problems, there is nothing like strength in numbers.

If it was so unrelated, then why did you uninstall it?

And until you do change it, you have no right to an opinion of something better that you can't even use yet. Who knows, you might end up thinking it is worse.

Using my logic? How is choice versus necessity a valid argument? I have to use electricity, and feel it is absolutely necessary to intervene. Bodily harm is not an equal parallel to a capitalism argument! Drinking water is necessary to your life and well being. Using Windows is not. Millions of people curse Linux too on a daily basis, and its not because of the corporate injustices of Red Hat.


I think I pretty much share the logic of everyone else here. The flawed logic is on you, my friend. That's usually the case when you are on a losing side of a one to many argument.

ME: "Which should I do first: Adopt Linux, start working with open-source programs that I'll be able to use with Linux, or move my websites to Linux servers? (By the way, I probably average more than 10 hours a day working on my research and websites.)"

That's obviously illogical.

It's a matter of choice. You do a lot of things and choose to defend Microsoft on the side. I do a lot of things and choose to defend open-source.

Lecture? I'm merely reporting the facts.

It works both ways - you'll continue to help me learn something you know a lot about - PHP. And I'll continue to help you learn something I know about: political reform.

I HAD a dual-boot system. It worked great for a while, but it eventually conflicted with a hardware problem, and I had to get it removed. Excuse me if I don't have the time or money to troubleshoot all these problems, get my dual-boot system back and do everything else FIRST.

"I even had Linux installed at one time. I was just beginning to learn it when I had to remove it because of an unrelated hardware problem."

The problem wasn't caused by Linux. However, I lost the Linux drive in the process. It's a long, complicated story, involving some real hardware problems and some misdiagnosed problems.

LOL! I've never had breast cancer, either. Who knows, I might like it if I tried it!

All seriousness aside, you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. For starters, you and everyone else on this forum zooms in on single issues, the tip of the iceberg.

It isn't just about Linux. It's about Windows without the bugs. It's about dual-operating systems with Windows and Linux - or Apple and Linux. It's about PHP versus ASP, corporate corruption, public education and many other issues.

BINGO! In today's world, computers aren't always a choice. They're literally a necessity. Many people make a living from their computers. Political activists would be lost without computers. And what would happen to our economy and everything else if every computer suddenly stopped working?

The danger in your argument is that it intimidates virtually EVERYONE from speaking out against Microsoft for fear of being labeled a hypocrite. Almost everyone uses SOME software associated with Microsoft. Even people who have escaped to Linux can be criticized for having used Microsoft in the past.

Frankly, I don't expect to ever be 100% Microsoft-free - and I'm not sure I want to. For starters, I'm a website designer. Thus, I want to be able to preview my pages in a variety of browsers, including Mozilla, Safari and - hold your nose - Internet Explorer.

I'd also like to be able to work with clients on various platforms - Windows, Apple and Linux. And just as I study the actions of people I despise - like George W. Bush - so is it important to have some experience with Windows before I criticize it. On top of everything else, I think it's kind of cool to use Microshaft products against its manufacturer! It's kind of like freedom fighters who use American weapons against Team Exxon.

So what kind of system would I like to have? Well, if I can scrape together enough money, and when I find the time, I'd like to have a PC and a Mac sharing the same monitor with a KVM switch. (Unfortunately, I won't be able to afford one of Apple's fabulous monitors.) I want to have a second hard drive running Linux on my PC or my Apple - possibly on both.

If I get to that point, then I have to figure out a software strategy. Am I going to stick with Dreamweaver and Photoshop or go open-source all the way? Should I upgrade to Photoshop to Adobe's Creative Suite and, if so, should I do it on my PC or do a cross upgrade to Apple?

Should I upgrade to Macromedia's latest Studio MX or just Dreamweaver? For PC or the Mac? Will I do most of my work with MySQL and PHP on my PC or the Mac - or Linux?

And what kind of backup system will I use? Can I copy my PC, Apple and Linux files to the same external hard drive, or do I need two external hard drives. (It would actually be 2 or four external drives, because I want a set that I can store outside my home.)

In the meantime, which website project should focus on while I ponder these things? I have about a dozen websites, all of which need to be finished or revised. Should I concentrate on writing articles for one of them? Working on graphics? Should I change the page extensions on all my sites to .php and apply PHP includes to them? Or should I make some MySQL tables first?

Some of my websites are of more commercial value in the spring, but I also need to get my new political sites online soon, as Campaign 2004 is already well under way.

So, if you can explain how I can do all of these things in 1 hour, I'm all ears. And if you want to call me a hypocrite for failing to do the impossible, I'll just throw that right back in your face. Using a website that advertises "Resources for PHP and MySQL Developers" to defend Microsoft strikes me as a little weird, if not treasonous.

Or does this website have a different mission that it isn't advertising? These are some of the questions I'll explore in an article I'm working on.