Microsoft Bashing is Righteous!

Here are my comments on Postal Cow's latest pro-Microsoft essay:

"I am not a fan of Microsoft software products and I disagree with their seedy tactics to keep one application intergraded into another, but one thing that seems to be forgotten, is that Microsoft is a business, and a huge business, with a great deal of employees."

So what?

"I read posts of Microsoft hate and how they crusade to end Microsoft as we know it. One, they will never succeed in destroying Microsoft..."

Don't be so sure. You'll never know until you try. Between Linux, Red Flag Linux, the European Union, lawsuits, hackers and web designers who are discovering the superiority of Dreamweaver, Mozilla, PHP, Apple, Linux and on and on, Microsoft could indeed take a tumble.

"and two thank goodness they can't. Microsoft is a huge contributor to the world economy, not just the United States, the entire world."

Baloney. Microsoft is a huge EXPLOITER. Even if it was classified as a contributor, what would happen if Microsoft suddenly vanished? The giant sucking sound it left behind would be immediately filled by the competition Microsoft has for so long bullied. We don't need Microsoft to provide jobs (many of which are outsourced to India). More reputable companies could provide even more jobs, with less profits being funneled into a greedy CEO's bank account.

"Everything trickles down..."

Actually, a vast percentage of Microsoft's profits are locked up in Microsoft. It would trickle down much faster if business was conducted by smaller, more streamlined companies.

"This is only the beginning, taxes paid by Microsoft and its employees in enormous..."

Do they really pay their fair share of taxes? Come on, Microsoft is based in the corporate state of Washington! Do some research on the tax games Microsoft, Boeing and other corporations play, enabled by Governor Gary Locke. It's nothing less than organized crime.

"Microsoft has to pay for utilities.."

So does the competition.

"Every employee of Microsoft can gripe all they want about their employer, if it is so bad, then QUIT, go get a different job, no one is holding a gun to their head to stay."

Yeah, right, Microsoft destroyed much of the competition, then began outsourcing to India. So if you want to work in the high-tech industry, move to India and hire on with Microsoft!

"Working for a living is how the world works, its called life, deal with it."

I wish someone would tell that simple truth to Bill Gates!

"Microsoft employees have a good life if you ask me, they have food on their table, a roof over their head and spending money, and that money is spend in the local economy I might add."

What about people who don't work for Microsoft? Microsoft has stomped Seattle. It is not a good neighbor.

"When I hear people bashing corporations it's just class envy."

That's the lamest corporate propaganda I've ever heard.

"No one is stopping you from doing the same thing..."

Actually, Microsoft is.

"Go open your own business and deal with wining employees; it’s a lot of fun I'm sure."

Bill Gates should give it a try; it's a lot more ethican than exploiting the federal government, blackmail, etc.

"Remember, life is not fair, I would like to make as much money as Bill Gates..."

Why is everyone so hung up on Bill Gates' money? That's not the main point.

"I should not be able to sue Bill Gates because I don't make enough money."

Of course not. You should be able to sue Bill Gates for violating antitrust laws, for screwing consumers, for exploiting public schools, etc.

"Protesting a business is free speech, but when your protests begin to hurt a company's profits, it not free any more, your toying with someone's livelihood."

Baloney. Boycotts are perfectly legal and ethical. An example of an unethical boycott would be the Dixie Chicks, because the federal government (Republican government) supported it by proxy. But if private citizens want to urge other private citizens to buy from Microsoft's compeition, that's THEIR business, THEIR money, THEIR choice.

"He is an idea for all you people that spend their waking moments protesting and trying to destroy a business, get a life."

If Bill Gates wants to destroy my school district, I'll destroy his business. It's that simple.

"Life, is defined as having a job and supporting yourself and your family..."

There's more to life than that. Thousands of Americans gave their lives to protect America from the Nazis and Japan. Do we mock them because they should have surrendered to apathy and just worked to put food on their family (in George Bush's words)?

No, we honor them as heroes. Likewise, anyone who speaks out against corporate corruption, including Microsoft, deserves respect.

So you really think MS is a threat to the whole world? Do you think that anti-microsoft people deserve a special place in the graveyard when they die some day? Like Postalcow said, MS employs a LOT of people.



I think you missed the point (or then I did, Cow may tell his point.) So what if the jobs are in India? People need a job there too.

I think that the main reason for hating Microsoft (the corporation) is envying. They just happen to make a lot of money. People kill for less important reasons, so why not bash a corporation?

No, I don't like MS products too much and I try to avoid them. Windows isn't stable, I don't need game controllers too much, keyboards and mice don't fit my hands too well. Office is the only product I really "like." Naturally, if I find the products bad, then I don't use them. But does it give me the permission to try destroying the corporation? Of course not, it's not a crime to do bad products, unless they really hurt someone (not just the wallet.)

im not going through this with you again....lol

"So you really think MS is a threat to the whole world?"

A lot of people think so. Other nations are jumping on the Linux bandwagon, partly for security reasons. (Check out Red Flag Linux and a new initiative combining China, Japan and South Korea.) The U.S. government has even warned against the threat Microsoft poses to our national security. The European Union is taking on Microsoft right now.

"Do you think that anti-microsoft people deserve a special place in the graveyard when they die some day?"

I'll probably opt for cremation.

"Like Postalcow said, MS employs a LOT of people."

Sure, a lot of people who would be employed by other companies if Microsoft didn't exist.

"I think you missed the point (or then I did, Cow may tell his point.) So what if the jobs are in India? People need a job there too."

I have nothing against Indians, but outsourcing is one of the greatest threats to U.S. citizens. Telling us that Microsoft employs a lot of people when it's actually outsourcing jobs is a pretty weak argument. But if you really think outsourcing is cool, consider this: Microsoft could easily be replaced by other companies who could also outsource jobs to India. It's bad enough that we're depending on Microsoft software without being dependent on Microsoft to do our outsourcing for us.

"I think that the main reason for hating Microsoft (the corporation) is envying."

That's an even weaker argument. It's like George Bush's claim that terrorists hate us because they're jealous of the very civil liberties Republicans are taking away from us. It's a good (although simple-minded) rationale for ignoring the truth.

"Office is the only product I really 'like.'"

Check out OpenOffice.org. It's free, and it even works on Windows.

"Naturally, if I find the products bad, then I don't use them. But does it give me the permission to try destroying the corporation? Of course not, it's not a crime to do bad products, unless they really hurt someone (not just the wallet.)"

But Microsoft bashing isn't just about bad products. It's about outsourcing, corporate corruption, government corruption, blackmailing school districts, exploiting children and on and on.

It's also about having fun. You should try it sometime!

I'm tired of fighting against windmills. Have you found out that some of your opinions are conflicting?

"Sure, a lot of people who would be employed by other companies if Microsoft didn't exist."
"Yeah, right, Microsoft destroyed much of the competition, then began outsourcing to India."

If Microsoft didn't exist, there would be another corporations who would outsource the jobs to Asia. That way the market would be about the same, amount of jobs would be about the same, and place of production would be about the same.

"But Microsoft bashing isn't just about bad products. It's about outsourcing, corporate corruption, government corruption, blackmailing school districts, exploiting children and on and on."

Outsourcing is one of the ways to get more money. That way the corporation will also pay more tax money to the government. I know what you said about MS and taxes, but where is the evidence? Corruption? Naturally, but that's the spirit in big business. That's not a reason to make Microsoft the main target. Blackmailing schools and exploiting children? Where is the evidence?

"Check out OpenOffice.org. It's free, and it even works on Windows."

I said I "like" MS Office. I didn't say I love it or that it is the only office software I've ever used. I just told you that Office is absolutely the best piece of software made by Microsoft. OpenOffice is a great piece of software, but I have nothing against MS office either.

"I'm tired of fighting against windmills."

Most Americans don't even vote, and most who do vote stupid.

"If Microsoft didn't exist, there would be another corporations who would outsource the jobs to Asia. That way the market would be about the same, amount of jobs would be about the same, and place of production would be about the same."

I was merely pointing out the absurdity of your argument that Microsoft should be praised for outsourcing jobs. The point is that ANYONE can outsource jobs.

But let's take a closer look. If Microsoft went belly up (Hooray!), its niche would probably be filled by several and perhaps many smaller corporations. They would probably not be as likely to outsource jobs, nor is it likely that their CEOs would suck up as much of the profits as Bill Gates does. Even if they DID outsource jobs, they wouldn't have Microsoft's power to corrupt government, education and everything else.

"Outsourcing is one of the ways to get more money. That way the corporation will also pay more tax money to the government."

Yeah, right. George Bush's "tax cuts" make it even easier for corporations to excuse themselves from pulling their weight. How many schemes do corporate attorneys have for dodging taxes? They outsosurce jobs, move their headquarters to foreigin nations, buy government officials who help them cheat the public. There's no end to it. You really ought to come to Washington State and study the way these thugs do business.

"I know what you said about MS and taxes, but where is the evidence?"

It will be on my website soon. In the meantime, you can probably find tons of evidence on the Internet. Speaking of taxes, did you know that Washington taxpayers bought a new football stadium for Paul Allen? They didn't exactly volunteer, but Paul Allen and Governor Gary Locke know what's best for us, so we're buying Paul a new football stadium with our taxes.

"Corruption? Naturally, but that's the spirit in big business."

Excuse me if I don't buy into your "spirit." I also resent the double standard. People blast me for trying to "destroy" Microsoft, but it's OK for corporations to screw me. Forget that crap.

"That's not a reason to make Microsoft the main target."

Microsoft is one of the biggest and most powerful corporations, and it may pose a greater threat than any other corporation. In addition, I live in Microsoft's backyard and have been personally victimized by Bill Gates and his cronies. I'd say those are pretty good reasons for giving Microsoft more publicity than Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

"Blackmailing schools and exploiting children? Where is the evidence?"

Well, you could type Microsoft + blackmail + "school districts" into Google and check out some of the hits, like this page...

http://www.rafferty.org/msschools.php

Here's an interesting page:

http://search.ngfl.gov.uk/senit/senit.archive.0305/msg00000.html

It says, "We were one of the 500 districts who received the now-infamous
'buy Licensing 6.0 or be audited' letter."

"I said I "like" MS Office. I didn't say I love it or that it is the only office software I've ever used. I just told you that Office is absolutely the best piece of software made by Microsoft."

That's a very telling statement. Office is "absolutely the best piece of software" Bill Gates produces, yet public schools could save millions of dollars by using OpenOffice instead.

In other news, FrontPage is - what, the third best website design program? Apache's server software easily beats Microsoft's IIS. Linux is better than Windows in many ways, and it's free. MySQL is better than... heck, I don't even know what Microsoft's version is called. Internet Explorer is nowhere near the best browser.

So there are a couple ways we can make money here. We can buy Microsoft's crappy software and hope that Bill Gates' phony "philanthropy" trickles down to us some day. Or we can save money up front by using open-source software and forcing Bill Gates to compete outside his monopolistic bubble.

I think it's pretty obvious that Microsoft would lose tens of billions of dollars if the general public was aware of the choices that are available - and if they realized what a shoddy racket Microsoft is operating.

That's my mission - to inform the public. And if they still want to buy Microsoft, that's their choice. After all, this is a free country!

More uninformed dribble. You don't even know what Microsoft's SQL server is called, you obviously have never used it, yet you claim that MySQL is better? Please get off your emotional high horse! I am a DBA by trade, I use both Microsoft SQL Server and MySQL on a daily basis. They both have their advantages, but for a high scale, large load application I will choose MSSQL every day of the week.

I just typed MSSQL and MySQL into Google, with the following results:

MSSQL: 458,000
MySQL: 17 million

Apparently, 16.5 million people don't agree with you.

What does that have to do with anything? OK..let's try this one using your wonderful "eight ball" methods:

Who is a nicer person? Matt Wade or David Blomstrom?

(using names quoted in the search)

David Blomstrom: 1,250
Matt Wade: 36,500

Wow!! I am SOOO much nicer than you!

Wade's a common name, Blomstrom isn't.

Similarly, there's only one MySQL. I assume there's just one MSSQL, too - unless that's another idea that Microsoft stole from someone else.

That explains everything.

Anyone who respects the world's biggest terrorist, George W. Bush, is bound to like Bill Gates.

http://matt.codewalkers.com/archives/000229.html

Who has said that he likes Bill Gates? No one has said that about anyone on this forum (except you.) All we have asked you to do is to back up your words.



This still means nothing, absolutely nothing! Amount of pages found is still not the amount of users, and they can't be compared that way.



I didn't say that. What I said was "absolutely the best piece of software made by Microsoft." What it means is "absolutely the best piece of software Microsoft has ever made" or "the best piece of software of all the software Microsoft has made." It does not mean "best software ever" or "best software in the world." I hope you finally understand what I meant.

About the school thing: I really don't understand the whole thing. Microsoft wants money from schools because they are schools and have computers, not because they'd use MS products. This cannot be legal, like you said, it's blackmailing. Blackmailing isn't a legal way to get money, so the schools can forget that thing.

If it happens to be legal in the States, corporations are allowed to do that. If that really is the case, you should absolutely change your laws.

I will stop this nonsense right now. As long as you continue hiding the real evidence or giving some nonsense information, there is no way you can make people believe what you say.

"I didn't say that. What I said was 'absolutely the best piece of software made by Microsoft.'"

And that's how I was interpreting it. Excuse me for not include the words "made by Microsoft."

But your original interpretation doesn't change anything. My point is that you consider Office Microsoft's best, yet even that can be replaced by a similar product that costs NOTHING. So if Office is Microsoft's BEST, what are we to think about Microsoft's WORST? Get my drift?

"About the school thing: I really don't understand the whole thing."

Don't feel bad. There aren't even many teachers who have a clue about public education. That's one of the reasons it gets worse every year.

"Microsoft wants money from schools because they are schools and have computers, not because they'd use MS products. This cannot be legal, like you said, it's blackmailing. Blackmailing isn't a legal way to get money, so the schools can forget that thing."

HUH???

"I will stop this nonsense right now."

Good choice.

"There is no way you can make people believe what you say."

Really? I beg to differ.

At this point in time, we have established that Codebear hates how everything is being done everywhere and has a clear idea that he could do it better. He must be a Expert